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Anaiis - 2003-04-10 16:50:54
Yes, when I read that I could not believe it. My jaw hit he floor. It was too much. Just too much.
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Brittany - 2003-04-10 16:58:44
One article does not make it true and you don't even tell where you found the article.
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Lori - 2003-04-10 17:14:44
Brittany...if you had been reading my blogs very long, you would know that if you click on the TITLE of the article, it will take you directly to where the article came from. The Guardian is a very reliable news source.
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saddam hussein - 2003-04-10 18:10:46
You are indeed right my friend, I have long since provided for my impoverished people, but since I only had 1 teat, they all had to line up to get to my nourishing milk. Also, you are correct, the Americans have been wagging the dog and they are here exclusively to get my oil which I have been so far selling to the French & Russian beyatches. But such is life, I would write more, after I'm gone I hope you will do it for me, because the truth lives in d*land.
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Lori - 2003-04-10 18:15:45
Oh I just love how the necons try to belittle one into not speaking up about travesties that are happening in the world..well neocon-as-saddamhusein-poser..it won't work here! I will continue to show the travesties of this war and continue to call it like it is..an illegal invasion of another sovereign country. One day the Bushites will be brought before the world and tried for their crimes against humanity!
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Windy - 2003-04-10 21:12:13
This is just...sad. It's all just sad.
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Nicole - 2003-04-10 23:55:22
Not going to make a comment about the news commentary or war or anything of that sort....just letting you know still here and kicking
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Lori - 2003-04-11 00:22:38
Good to see you Nicole..i've missed you soooooo much!
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Rdara - 2003-04-11 00:55:22
There is this thing called misinformation that all governments put out there to make people believe what they want to. And as for the taking down of Saddam's statue, is it not possible that the marines were *gasp* asked by the Iragi people in the square to help them take it down?
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Rdara - 2003-04-11 00:55:30
There is this thing called misinformation that all governments put out there to make people believe what they want to. And as for the taking down of Saddam's statue, is it not possible that the marines were *gasp* asked by the Iragi people in the square to help them take it down?
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Windy - 2003-04-11 01:29:13
There is this thing called pushing the "done" button only once so that your comment doesn't *gasp* get posted twice.
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Lori - 2003-04-11 02:47:01
Rdara..and I suppose the Iraqis also asked the American soldiers to drape the US flag over Saddam's face too to show how much they love the US invasion? Spend much time watching Faux News do you? Sorry, I would rely on the Guardian printing more truthful press than any US paper.
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Neil - 2003-04-11 03:32:25
You talk like that in America and you'd probably get treated as badly as you would if you slagged off Saddam a month ago. Americans are such strange creatures. As one of the guests on David Dimbley's show last night said: "The US army only look out for themselves. It's official policy. They look after their own men before anyone else. They aren't even taught peacekeeping". They aren't taught peacekeeping eh? America, the wonderful land? I don't think so. I'll stick with my fish and chips. None of your 'freedom fries' for me I say.
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Neil - 2003-04-11 04:43:24
Edit: ...slagged off Saddam a month ago >in Iraq<.
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FOXPhotog - 2003-04-11 10:05:06
This indy media stuff is considered less than credible by many. It is not hard to find negative and/or conspiratorial articles from Euro and Euro-centric sources. The amount of coordination that it would take to pull off what these "journalists" are claiming would be mind-bending. It takes a large suspension of belief and logic to enable one to accept these baseless accusations as true. I wonder if these are the same folks who believe that the moon walk by Buzz Aldrin was staged... I consider people who report this kind of drivel "factually-challenged." Nice try though. --FOXPhotog ###
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Rdara - 2003-04-11 10:16:10
Hmmm, I only hit the done button once, so big deal. And now you are taking what I said out of context...or rather what I did NOT say. I love how people assume that since I said such things that now I'm pro-war. But then again, I didn�t say if I was or not. If you must know, I�m strongly against this war and I believe Bush is a crazy Christian fundamentalist. And yes, I am unhappy with those soldiers, that are overzealous, who hoisted the American flag. I will however state this. All news sources are going to spin their story the way they want people see it. If you believe everything you read/see in the news, and don�t ask questions...well then, you�re just as ignorant as those morons in Congress who came up with �freedom fries.�
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Lori - 2003-04-11 10:54:24
OK let me make my position clear to everyone out there. First, no I do not believe everything I see/read/hear on the news, especially if it is coming from ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, and most definitely NOT FOX. All of these are controlled by the U.S. Government and will only report what the government wants them to report. I get about 50% of my news from foreign sources all over the world, mostly UK, Aussie, Russian and some Arab sources. Yes, I know that these are also biased. What I do then is search the US sources and compare them with what I see from foreign sources. The next thing I do is search for government sources where ever I can find them (the library, the internet, etc.) and do a comparision on those as well.
Now, as for the story from the Guardian. Why am I more inclined to believe it than what I saw on CNN? Because, as I already said in the opening remarks, what I saw on CNN looked FORCED and CONTRIVED when I watched it *live*. So I already had the idea that something was AMISS.
And FOXPhotog, you underestimate our government's ability to stage anything to make their asses look good. While those sparse few Iraqis were cheering our troops in that small isolated area, our men where being fired on in other parts of the city. In a city with as huge a population of Baghdad, don't you think there would have been more Iraqis out there than the 75 or so shown on TV? Please do not insult my intelligence.
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FOXPhotog - 2003-04-11 11:29:47
If a conspiracy is what your looking for, there everywhere, if you're willing to invent the facts to support it. No, I do not underestimate anything. Unlike most, I work in the business you are discussing. I know from experience covering breaking, live news stories that *if* the US gov't wanted to coordinate all of those different organizations, it couldn't. I'll give you that the only "control" media the gov't has right now is the imbedded reporters. It can directly control them, which is why I take what they report with a grain of salt. I mean no disrespect to you, Lori. I don't believe you have enough information to lay the kind of claim that you have. This statue crumbling that we saw was spontaneous. "Why were all of the TV cameras already in position then?" you may ask. If you go back and view the tapes (and yes, we did) you'll see that these *exact* same shots were up for months prior to the start of the war. All of the news organizations positioned robotic Pelco cams at various places around Baghdad, and several had clear shots of Saddam Square. As the situation developed, more and more media showed up to cover it. As to your assertion that there were few Iraqi citizens out there, I ask of you: Were we watching the same news event? I watched from about 10:00am - 11:35am. I saw the whole thing and I would estimate that there were easily 1000-2000 Iraqis there toward the end. As to why more weren't around in a city of millions? They were bunkered in, number one, and hearing all of those tanks and troops coming down the street probably scared the bejeezus out of them. Number two, these folks lived for 30 years under a regime that would kill anyone who dissented. Unlike here they understand what real oppression is and until the coast was clear, they weren't going to risk their lives. Try reading newsmax.com, reuters.com, and some others. I'm concerned that you are buying into a skewed version of the truth. FOXPhotog
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Lori - 2003-04-11 22:58:31
FOXPhotog: I do read those news sources you read. Please do not concern yourself with what I read. As I have said over and over again, I do not get my sources from just one place. Some are conservative leaning, some are liberal leaning, and some are moderate leaning sources. I think discern between them all.
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Marie - 2003-04-12 18:51:13
It makes me truly sad to see that people/children like you believe anything and everything you read and hear, and let your political party sway your opinion to either the right or the left without giving it so much as a second thougt. The Guardian is an extremely biased publication,if it can even be called that. We have not committed any travesties during this war. The Fetayeen and their guerilla tactics, and Saddam and his henchman are the ones doing that. And the flag in Umm Qasar was raised for only a few seconds and then replaced with the Iraqi flag to let them know that they were there as liberators not invadors, because that is how the military signals that they are there as liberators, but obviously you know nothing about the military. You and your anti-war mouth-flapping are basically telling those people that in your opinion, they did not deserve to be freed, and that if it were up to you, they would still be suffering and living in fear and opression to this day and for years to come. And if you were open-minded enough to gather information from various sources, instead of just the ones holding olive branches, you would know that, the Iraqi people were trying to take down the statue themselves, and reporters asked soldiers why don't the help them, and the soldiers responded because they want to do it themselves. Later on, they DID *gasp*(as you children say) ask the marines to help them, and they did. Believe me, they are fighting a war, they have jobs to do, they have much better and more important things to do than to "Stage" A celebration. And if you are still to loopy to see that the celebrations in Iraq were legitimate and real, then go ask the Iraqi people in Dearborn Michigan if THEIR celebrations were real, go over there and tell them your idiotic comments, and let them hit YOU in the face with their shoes.
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Marie - 2003-04-12 19:06:24
LMAO. Don't worry Lori, I don't think your intelligence is in ANY danger of being insulted. You would first have to FIND some intelligence, and even then, yours probably would be too stupid to know when it was being insulted. If you hate this country so much, go live with the evil towelheads, cause the Iraqi civilians certaintly wouldn't want you and neither do we. The one good thing about communist governments is that they can shut up ignorant jaw flappers like you. and by the way, the UKs publications are for the most part extremely biased, and the US government does not control the media you ignoramous, if they did, tons of papers and networks would be out of business right now. And Neil, don't get your knickers in a twist just because you happen to be a stupid bum head. Go have an unsatisfying shag with someone you fancy until you logic is no longer wonky, cause you make the British look bad and most of them would disown you.
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TrueThinker - 2003-04-12 19:14:41
lol at Lori. when she said "the illegal invasion of a sovereign country" you could tell that she copied that straight from some headline, and didn't have the brains to think of her own words.
1-Iraq is not a sovereign nation
2-it is not illegal. The US does not need permission from the U.N. or anyone else to protect itself and its citizens
3-its not an invasion. its liberation. Talk to some of the Iraqi people that you obviously care so little about. You were probably too busy sitting under your bare bulb writing angry letters to the government to see this, but you should try talking to one of the many Iraqi exiles who now live in America, they said that idiots like you should quit calling it an invasion, because there is nothing about this that is like an invasion.
4-we don't want their crap country!! We don't want to occupy or invade Iraq, we want things to be over and to come home as soon as possible. we are the only country in the world that could survive solely on our own resources if we had too, we have no need for their country, we want the people of that country to have the country for themselves with a free government and free elections.
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Sympathizer - 2003-04-12 19:22:10
I feel sorry for your cats that have to live under your "Lori Regime"
you are a very untalented "writer"
you are too old to have a diary like yours
P.S.Al-Dourri called, he wants his job back.
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TrueThinker - 2003-04-12 19:23:58
dear Lori:
Have you Hugged your Saddam Today??
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Marie - 2003-04-12 19:24:53
GIVE FRANCE BACK TO GERMANY
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Marie - 2003-04-12 19:48:13
Lori always "Talks" and "Jaw-flaps" about how she is just SO open-minded and such a FREE thinker. When anyone with half a brain KNOWS that the real and ONLY reason she is opposed to this war is because Bush is the one in office. Where was she when Clintion bombed Iraq and Africa???? She certainly wasn't protesting then!! And if Clinton had done the same exact thing while he was in office(and maybe if he had, we wouldnt have had to go to war) each and every one of you would have supported him. And if Clinton was in office now, you would ALL support this war. The true left DOES Support
the war. you and lori are all part of the lunatic fringe, and the only reason you are against it is because you are democrats that can't see or think for themselves and therefore fall into line against anything or anyone republican and behind anything democrat. The only legitimate reasons to be against war is if it is a religious reason or a TRUE personal reason that you truly believe in, and would still believe in no matter who was in office. but none of you are intellectuals or humanitarians, all you are is a few Bush haters, who hate this war just because the person who was finally stong enough to do something happened to be a republican. start thinking for yourselves and make your own decisions and stop basing everything on party lines.
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Lori - 2003-04-12 21:02:22
Marie...just to show how much you know...i was a registered Republican and I voted for Bush. Ha! With that said, I am now a registered Independent and am a moderate. This has nothing to do with party lines. I despise both sides of the spectrum. Yes I may tend to favor Democrats over republicans now, but every now and again a brave Republican steps forward and reminds me why I used to be a Republican. So go ahead and draw whatever conclusions you would like, but you are wrong and highly mistaken.
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Lori - 2003-04-12 21:04:57
Well I can see that Marie brought her flamers with her..Hope you all had a blast. Now get your heads out of Bush's ass and start actually learning some history. Taataa ignorant ones.
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Joy - 2003-04-13 00:32:26
Wow. Marie, that is a new record. I've never seen so many really nasty flaming comments since. . . My goodness, since never! I spoke to an girl from Israel once who seemed to be unable to speak in anything but 'sarcasm', but that wasn't flaming. So, all I can say is this. If you have some thing to say, say it, and nothing more. If you do research on these topics, as Lori does, then by all means, state your opinions, and we will listen whether we agree or not. However, you don't show yourself to be anything but an unpleasant person to be around by the way you talk. Oh, and by the way, please refrain from pigeon-holeing me into either "pro" or "anti" war. I'm neither(or rather, I'm anti-war in the sense that I want all war to end, but I have no special opinions about this one, except to suppor our troops), and I'm really just interested in gathering information. Real information, not flaming arguements. Do you really think that insulting someone is going to make them come to your point of view? *shrugs* That's my two!
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FOXPhotog - 2003-04-13 20:47:58
What I find most fascinating about your "well researched" articles is that most of them come from either the same source (your most recent post of urban legends) or media outlets with questionable credibility. Their credentials are at best suspect. I notice you did not respond to any of my facts regarding your "conspiracy" theory about the toppling of Saddam's statue, nor did you acknowlege the other side of your Bush/Gore election tirade. Your "independent thoughts" sound like every protest banner and slogan I've heard for 4 years now. You sound like just another of these "progressive" lemming protesters. Since real discussion on an issue, without personal or degrading attacks, is lost on you I shall not try to infuse anymore truth here. But be assured I willuse this site as reference: Reference to show average folks what today's "free thinkers" are parroting. So by all means, keep up the drivel.
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Windy - 2003-04-13 20:52:19
Hot damn, someone's got a bug up their arse, or more likely their head, it seems. I noticed that none of the flamers had the courage to include any links or contact info for themselves. My first posts were almost as hostile - I apologize for that - but at least I had the guts to include the link back to my diary. Sounds like someone who is perfectly happy to dish it, but isn't willing to take it. I guess they want to hide in their anonymity. Cowards.
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Lori - 2003-04-14 08:20:51
For all concerned, I have decided to just keep doing what I am doing: posting information and links and letting the readers decide if they want to believe them or not. I will not answer any more inflamatory or derogatory remarks. I will more than likely not even post anymore comments at all. I have more important things to do than try to convince a bunch of sheeple that there is something wrong with this Adminitration. I can only hope that history will be on my side and the things that I have reported or speculated on will come to light. Windy, I am grateful for your constant observations here and I hold no animosity towards you at all. We both started out on the wrong foot. No more apologies are needed.
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TrueThinker - 2003-04-14 15:21:18
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Windy, unlike you uninformed children, i have a life and things to do, therefore I don't have a cute little online diary to tend to, so I don't have link to give. I don't even go on the internet much, and had the displeasure of finding this sick "site" by accident. I Don't provide my email for obvious reasons, those reasons being that there are too many immature idiots out there that would bomb my mail with senseless propaganda from their flapping mouths.
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Marie - 2003-04-14 15:37:58
dear precious Lori, my head is not up anybody's ass. Unlike you, I AM A Moderate, who DOES research and study things. I get my information from many different sources and make my OWN decisions based on what I believe. I Don't let some biased newspaper or TVshow tell me what I should think, which obviously you do with all of your conspiracy theories(no wonder you like mel gibson) I am most assured I have done far more research than you ever have, just as I am in the fact that my info comes from actual sources, as opposed to some euro-extremist-anti-America-indy-underground publication. You are probably some 12 year old boy looking for a thrill. If you hate this country, go away. Trust me, no one would miss you.
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Sympathizer - 2003-04-14 15:38:55
"I have a degree in liberal arts.....do you want fries with that??"---Lori
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Marie - 2003-04-14 15:55:08
dear little joy,i do happen to do research on all of these topics and more. in fact, i study past wars and other history as well. and unlike little lori, i get my information from reliable and balanced sources, and from a number of sources, unlike her and her biased ONE single source. and unlike her, i get FACTS, because facts are something that the ignorant cannot deny. and again, unlike lori, i listen to BOTH sides, and choose my OWN opinion, based on my own thoughts and no one else's. she is far too left to ever think for herself, and her so-called "sources" prove that. and as to your comment about pigeon-holing you, i say this: those who are on the fence and are neither pro nor anti war, you are worse than the smelly hairy peaceniks, because you aren't even intelligent enough or able to think enough to choose an opinion or to have an opinion of your own!! And by the way, NO ONE is really PRO war, they just support the war and think it is needed, and are pro President. And as for your last comment, I'm not trying to get anyone to come to my point of view. You are all too far gone to even try. That doesn't mean I can't present the idiots with the facts that debunk their little theories and make them embarass themselves when they realize how stupid they are, and believe me, that day will eventually come, they might be 90 years old when it does, but one day, they will realize what ignoramouses they were/are. so, no, i don't care if i am insulting anyone, because i am not trying to get people to agree with me. people with such sick views cant be swayed unless the extremists and the extreme publications they follow tell them to. besides, they are already insulting themselves by bein such idiots.
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Marie - 2003-04-14 15:56:48
Lori, you never answered me, why was it OK for Clinton to bomb Iraq and Bosnia then, but its not OK for Bush to do it now???? Perhaps you don't answer because it would prove you were lying when you claimed you had no part in party lines?
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Marie - 2003-04-14 15:57:56
and neil is a bum head, someone should kick his bum and nick his bloody knickers and show them to his mates in front of someone who doesn't fancy him and make him feel all wonky like the poofta he is and he would run and cry to his mum who wouldn't care cause he is such a wanker.
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Windy - 2003-04-14 16:49:05
Why do some people seem to think that if you budgeon others with your opinions enough, that they'll care? I don't know about any of you, but I personally am a whole lot less likely to care if someone gets rude and insulting about it. And the only ones being immature and embarassing themselves are the flamers. Lori, whether I agree with what you have to say or not, I commend you for saying it, and also for your decision to ingnore these trolls (and that's not an insult, it's a net term, look it up if you don't know what it means). The rest of us will just have to stick up for your First Amendment rights. :)
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TrueThinker - 2003-04-14 17:02:06
I already have said, i am not trying to get anyone to care about what I say, if that was what I wanted, I would go somewhere where I Would be heard, not to some stupid little web diary.
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TrueThinker - 2003-04-14 17:04:16
you idiots are all the same. when it comes to your freedom of speech, you whine and cry about how you can say what you want, but when someone comes along with a different opinion than you who uses their freedom of speech and says something you disagree with, you whine and cry for them to shut up.
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Windy - 2003-04-14 18:47:16
I really don't care about what you say for the most part; it's the way you say it that I have a problem with. And if you're not trying to get people to care about what you say, why do you keep shoving it in our faces? Are you that lonely and desperate for attention? Psychiatrists assert that children who don't get enough attention often resort to causing trouble, because they would rather get negative attention than no attention at all. Children who lack attention often fall into immature, anti-social, and even hostile behaviors a means of coping. Much of this description fits your behavior in this diary.
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TrueThinker - 2003-04-14 21:20:38
lol. i hardly think "behavior in a diary" would by qualified to judge someone by
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Windy - 2003-04-14 23:50:16
Your behavior anywhere is a representation of you, and your words qualify as behavior, especially in an online community where all we have to judge you by IS your words. In fact, your words online are a truer reflection of what kind of person you really are, because the safety of anonymity gives you the freedom to act any way you please without fear of any real repercussion. It is a true test of integrity to be polite and respectful online, because you don't HAVE to be.
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TrueThinker - 2003-04-16 18:57:05
No, its not a reflection of what kind of person you are to all people, because people are free to pretend to be someone they arent if they choose. if someone pretends to be a forty year old man it dos not reflect that they are really a forty year old man. and you are the one who has been unpolite.
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Windy - 2003-04-16 21:05:18
It's impolite, not "unpolite".
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Ahhhh...thanks, I needed that!
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