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Carla - 2003-07-02 06:07:46
Right on! I think that any kind of "our way or the highway" religion's primary appeal is EXACTLY to people who have such a fucked-up life that they crave control over people they fear/envy in order to make them feel powerful.
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tigerknight - 2003-07-02 07:04:39
Even if the moves for a Constitutional amendment are mere ploys to gain points with the rainbow-burning bigots, these statements hurt the gay community. Indeed, one might even accuse Frist and Musgrave of sanctioning terrorism--just consider the anti-gay hate crimes out there. I kind of like that track: every anti-gay hate-monger is a terrorist; let's unleash PATRIOT II to throw them all in jail.
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Aaron - 2003-07-02 11:52:47
Only a piece of legislation banning gay marriage will ever see gay marriage recognized in the United States. Congress is far too large and politically motivated a body to do the job...it needs the Supreme Court. That's how the anti-sodomy laws were struck down...that's how Canada took the step to recognize gay marriage...a smaller group made a bad law and the courts intervened. You might say we NEED a law banning same-sex marriage, so that it can be struck down. It won't happen fast, and if a gay American couple is looking to get married soon I do advise a weekend in Toronto...but it WILL happen, and we'll have the fundies and the rest of the right to thank for it.
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Pandionna - 2003-07-02 12:05:02
Aaron is probably right. It's the same kind of my-way-or-the-highway thinking that made in vitro fertilization so commonplace. The fundies went after vitro fertilization on the grounds that leftover embryos would be discarded, which they considered synonymous with abortion, so they tried to outlaw it entirely. In pushing so hard to make something entirely illegal based on *their* religious beliefs, look what happened. We have IVF everywhere. So trust that even if they win a battle, we are going to win the war, because authoritarianism ALWAYS fails. Maybe not quickly. It might take years. But it fails. Always.
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Ravyne - 2003-07-02 13:25:12
Aaron and Pandi - I understand that the only way Gay Marriages will ever be made legal in the USA is through something like this; however, with the Bush Administration trying to stack the Supreme Court with more fundies, it may be decades before that amendment would get struck down.
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Aaron - 2003-07-02 14:53:12
I maintain that the only way it will happen in this country is through the courts...it'll be even longer if we wait for Congress to recognize same sex marriage.
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Nikita - 2003-07-02 21:55:36
This is exactly the kind of legislation I've been afraid of for the last several years. First they go after gay people who want to get married and live happily ever after. Then it's married women who don't know their "place" - in the home, cooking and cleaning and taking care of the 14 children they've been forced to bear under the new Fundamentalist Regime. This sounds like the beginning of a modern Crusade to me. "You are different from me! Therefore I must convert you or kill you!" I hear New Zealand is nice this time of year. Or Amsterdam. I'd say Canada, but it's too close to the country where all this is happening. I'd just like to get far away.
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Tom Osborne - 2003-07-05 19:36:52
Listen to that hypocrite Frist talk about crime! His hugely wealthy family's nationwide hospital chain had been committing Medicare fraud against the government for years and after being caught, lost in court and the judgment against them was the largest government fraud judgment ever levied in the history of the United States. But President Bush saw to it that they were immunized from criminal prosecution. Frist IS a criminal, not homosexuals making love in the privacy of their home.
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